Type R vs Civic Si

ZeRoFoOL · Post by **ZeRoFoOL** » January 17th, 2004, 3:44 pm

hey, im new at the forum, but ive been lurking around a bit. i have a question, which one would win in a race, 01 ITR, or 03 Civic Si? thnx

Champ R · Post by **Champ R** » January 17th, 2004, 3:48 pm

*flame suit armed*

But to roughly answer your question, the ITR will win in every performance aspect, be it track or drag times.

ZeRoFoOL · Post by **ZeRoFoOL** » January 17th, 2004, 3:50 pm

Champ R wrote:*flame suit armed* But to roughly answer your question, the ITR will win in every performance aspect, be it track or drag times.

are you saying this just cuz u own a type r? not that i think ur lying or anything, but is that a true answer?

well that being answered, what would win in a race an Integra GSR or a Civic Si (not 03)

BassBoy19 · Post by **BassBoy19** » January 17th, 2004, 4:20 pm

no this is the real answer, no to flame the 03 si but it sucks compare to any 97-01 ITR, and I was saying that before I own my ITR and will say until the end of times... even if I own a si one day

ITR640 · Post by **ITR640** » January 17th, 2004, 4:49 pm

This should help answer the question.

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/v ... 67&ID2=157

And as I wexpected the Type R beats it

ZeRoFoOL · Post by **ZeRoFoOL** » January 17th, 2004, 5:01 pm

ok thnx. i knew the ITR was better, but my cousin said the civic si 03 was better, guess this proves him wrong

98cwitr · Post by **98cwitr** » January 17th, 2004, 6:07 pm

was this a serious post?

jetydosa · Post by **jetydosa** » January 17th, 2004, 8:32 pm

How can their POSSIBLY be a comparison....?

- The ITR is lighter
- The ITR has more power
- The ITR has stiffer suspension
- The ITR has better suspension geometry (double wishbone)
- The ITR has bigger brakes
- The ITR has "better" gearing

Wtf. I love the EP3 and would love to own one to daily drive, but in a performance arena they are in different leagues.

JUN.R · Post by **JUN.R** » January 17th, 2004, 10:20 pm

very different

GQNammer · Post by **GQNammer** » January 18th, 2004, 8:25 am

uh, I saw a ZC 88 crx woop a 2003 civic si. And to compare this to a type R.........wow, i thought this was a joke

5-Lug · Post by **5-Lug** » January 18th, 2004, 3:46 pm

Call me crazy but I'd still pick a GSR beating an Si.

e r i c s 9 9 s i · January 18th, 2004, 5:44 pm

bottom line to answer your question about the ITR vs. the O3 Si... ITR all the way, no chance for victory in the newest model Si... (I own a Si btw so I'm not bias at all).

To be honest with you... the 99-00 Si is the fastest-best Honda Si that they've ever came out with. The factory B-Series VTEC motor's are just hands down untouchable and better to modify that the K series at this point in time. Maybe as the R&D grows over time with the K series motor it'll turn out to be a great motor with the reputation as the B series have gained...

As far as GSR vs. SI's, I've driven them both and my overall opinion is that the GSR starts off faster though the 99-00 Si will catch it in the end. The B16's have the shorter geared trannys which make up for the roughly 10 more ft-lbs of torque that the GSR has with its slightly longer gearing.

I personally have a 99-00 Si model with a JDM ITR engine in the car and it's by far faster than the factory motor was with bolt-on's.. Obviously I have the best factory tranny on the market (4.785 FD) so the gearing makes a world of difference as far as accelleration goes. Place a Stock ITR versus a bolt-on 99-00 SI and the ITR will still walk the 99-00 Si.

This is a ITR forum so obviously there are gonna be some bias's opinions... fortunately I've had the opportunity to play with several honda engines within different chasis and bias or not, I must say the ITR is a very well designed car... I'd trade my faster Si that I have now for a true ITR anyday.. (well I might wanna take my JDM R motor as well...lol)

PY 01-0972 · Post by **PY 01-0972** » January 18th, 2004, 10:33 pm

I drive them both daily and they are two totally different cars! the Si is
very smooth quiet and cumbersome and the R is a noisey ruff riding beast
and would win against the Si in all conditions(including a car full of passengers!

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » January 19th, 2004, 9:22 pm

ZeRoFoOL wrote:ok thnx. i knew the ITR was better, but my cousin said the civic si 03 was better, guess this proves him wrong

Tell ya what, though. The EP3 Si would definitely win the rattle test.

It's a very solid little car compared to the DC2 chassis.

xmrcivicsix · Post by **xmrcivicsix** » January 20th, 2004, 2:23 am

I had a 99 Si with minor bolt ons for over a year and recently purchased a 98 Type r. Simply put the type r > si. Cant really compare them, the type r blows the si away in every aspect.