WIll DIY camera mount pass tech at Expo 4?

00TypeR · Post by **00TypeR** » February 4th, 2004, 6:27 pm

I was just wondering if anyone knows before hand if the diy camera mount listed here on this website will pass tech this year for the expo?

shivers · Post by **shivers** » February 5th, 2004, 10:24 am

There's a post on Honda Tech ITR forum about camera mounts.

Post by **Trey** » February 5th, 2004, 3:00 pm

Unfortunately it will not pass tech. nothing can be attached to the head rests.

00TypeR · Post by **00TypeR** » February 5th, 2004, 6:03 pm

do you know of any that will pass tech?

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » February 5th, 2004, 10:36 pm

00TypeR wrote:I was just wondering if anyone knows before hand if the diy camera mount listed on this website will pass tech this year for the expo?

Unfortunately, although that mount is very cheap and certainly clever, there are a couple of safety concerns with a mount like that.

The best thing to do is to securely mount your camera on the harness bar of the rollbar setup, or on a sturdy C pillar bar.

You should tech your car with the camera, so that people will feel sure that it isn't going to come flying off its mount.

BudMan · Post by **BudMan** » February 6th, 2004, 9:14 am

George & Trey -

Last year, the "single head-rest" camera mount was acceptable. I understand if we need to change, but because the 2 seats were not attached it was considered "ok".

Any changes??

In addition, would a b-pillar bar w/camera mount be acceptable if there is no roll-cage? If not, I will have to cut mine smaller to be a c-pillar bar

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » February 6th, 2004, 11:24 am

I am not sure who allowed that exception, but a headrest mounted camera is not OK. The OEM seat's headrest mount is not designed to carry any weight that shifts horizontally, and the camera is too close to heads.

zygspeed · Post by **zygspeed** » February 6th, 2004, 5:03 pm

BudMan wrote:In addition, would a b-pillar bar w/camera mount be acceptable if there is no roll-cage? If not, I will have to cut mine smaller to be a c-pillar bar

I've been trying to get an answer to this question for quite a while with no success.

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » February 6th, 2004, 5:06 pm

zygspeed wrote:
BudMan wrote:In addition, would a b-pillar bar w/camera mount be acceptable if there is no roll-cage? If not, I will have to cut mine smaller to be a c-pillar bar
I've been trying to get an answer to this question for quite a while with no success.

Guys, please be patient for a couple more days.

No problem with a C pillar bar and the camera properly secured.

What I'm finding w/the B pillar bar is that the OEM ITR seats bend so much in a crash that it looks like you really do run a high risk of hitting your head or neck (which is even worse) on the B pillar bar in the event of a violent incident.

A harness bar that is part of a rollbar doesn't seem to have this problem...but a harness bar that's not part of a rollbar system doesn't have the same system of checks and balances built in, and a deformed seat really could cause a problem.

I really didn't want to explain the thought process, but everybody keeps asking and all the evidence isn't in, yet.

zygspeed · Post by **zygspeed** » February 6th, 2004, 5:36 pm

George Knighton wrote:I really didn't want to explain the thought process, but everybody keeps asking and all the evidence isn't in, yet.

Frankly, it's not that hard a decision and explaining the thought process is usually a good idea. Which evidence do you speak of, especially since it seems it should be pretty cut and dry at this point in time (the safety issues presumably involved), and given that it's been an asked question for some time now.

Personally I don't mind either way and am not really trying to make it difficult for our safety steward (George). I have the choice of the SpeedWare B-pillar bar and/or a C-pillar bar I'd bought from Track Rat some time ago (with which I could probably pull a trailer LOL!)

The point is that given all the thought and rumblings that's gone into the "question" a "reasonable person" would have come to a conclusion one way or the other by now. If for no other reason other than to set the record straight as to what will be acceptable and allow those concerned to seek other options (if necessary), or allow those with vested interests to rest knowing that we'll be OK and get on with other things.

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » February 6th, 2004, 6:06 pm

It's not quite that easy, Edward.

I'm tempted to mail you my copy of Judge Brokenbrough Lamb's treatise "How To Make Decisions."

zygspeed · Post by **zygspeed** » February 6th, 2004, 6:42 pm

George Knighton wrote:It's not quite that easy, Edward.

I'm tempted to mail you my copy of Judge Brokenbrough Lamb's treatise "How To Make Decisions."

Actually, I'd appreciate it.
No hurry though, I've got lots of stuff to do for the time being (believe it or not).

Good luck with everything GK. :thumbup:

BudMan · Post by **BudMan** » February 6th, 2004, 11:03 pm

George - I'm perfectly happy if we "disapprove" b-pillar bars. I don't use mine for the same reason I won't put a harness in without a roll-cage (don't need to start that discussion again...)

I just thought I'd make sure we cover all the bases with my question.

**Anybody want to buy a single headreast camera mount???

Oh yea - George - I'm glad to see you're still helping us with this site and the expo **thumbs up**

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 5:21 am

The camera mount that reaches from the shoulder mounting points in the rear, thats called B pillar- correct?

If that seems to be a problem, could we use the saftey padding ( same for cages) to cover it?

I have the bar and would like to use it for the Expo and future track events, I would hate to see it go to waist- then again if it trully is a threat to my well being then Its gone.

George Knighton · February 11th, 2004, 10:01 am

bbasso wrote:The camera mount that reaches from the shoulder mounting points in the rear, thats called B pillar- correct?

If you mean the shoulder harness mounting points in the rear, the shoulder hanreses for the rear seats, then that's fine. That's what most of you seem to be calling a C pillar.

The way a B pillar was explained to me, I simply do not understand how that would be safe.

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 10:59 am

Ok to get this 100%
I drew a horrible picture... Which spot?, (red is rear and green is the front.)

I have a bar that goes across from each side of the car on the red dot.

George Knighton · February 11th, 2004, 11:01 am

You don't have permission to access /picture/sraid103/p6b20e13612fd92f37d359ac9ee3e3fd0/f9a6656d.jpg on this server

Tried both MiLV and behind the America Online proxy.

If you used America Online's FTP, you wouldn't have that problem.

(Jab, jab, poke, poke.)

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 11:03 am

working on it, give me a min.

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 11:12 am

strange Imagestation would not let me post it.

I got it tho...

George Knighton · February 11th, 2004, 11:16 am

What the hell kind of car is that? A '48 Packard bathtub?

Red dot is fine.

My problem is that I thought people were talking about the green dot, old harness bar point. Current NASA thinking is that this is not safe.

In view of how readily OEM ITR seats deform in a crash, we'd really prefer that people not use harness bar mounts for camera mounts.

You should, in fact, remove the harness bar for the track if that's the only modification behind the seats.

[Extraneous information removed. Don't want to confuse people w/too much information.]

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 11:20 am

Yippie!!! I can use my vid camera!!!

zygspeed · Post by **zygspeed** » February 11th, 2004, 3:29 pm

George Knighton wrote:In view of how readily OEM ITR seats deform in a crash, we'd really prefer that people not use harness bar mounts for camera mounts.

You should, in fact, remove the harness bar for the track if that's the only modification behind the seats.

So this is a definite no to the use of a b-pillar camera mount?

What I see above it "prefer" and "should" ... not whether it will be allowed/permissible or not for this year's ITR Expo.

George Knighton · Post by **George Knighton** » February 11th, 2004, 3:42 pm

zygspeed wrote:What I see above it "prefer" and "should" ... not whether it will be allowed/permissible or not for this year's ITR Expo.

You should not expect to be allowed on the track with a B pillar harness bar w/a camera attached to it. It just doesn't make sense to allow that.

Bbasso · Post by **Bbasso** » February 11th, 2004, 4:12 pm

Not to be a pecker head but getting back to what Ed said, "So this is a definite no to the use of a b-pillar camera mount? "

zygspeed · Post by **zygspeed** » February 11th, 2004, 4:23 pm

George Knighton wrote:You should not expect to be allowed on the track with a B pillar harness bar w/a camera attached to it. It just doesn't make sense to allow that.

How about a b-pillar bar w/o a camera attached to it?
Obviously it's not the camera you're worried about but the b-pillar bar.

If you reasonably parse your above statements ... it's still not clearly stated that the use a b-pillar bar itself is expressly forbidden.
That being said I get the the jist of the intention of the suggestion of a potential safety concern.

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