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walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:03 pm

I wouldnt mind being in florida right now...

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:04 pm

walker111 wrote:I wouldnt mind being in florida right now...

Come on down, the weather is great right now!

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:04 pm

Erik, you watching that Sebring lap?

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:05 pm

weather is raining right now!

<drove the R

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:06 pm

walker111 wrote:weather is raining right now!

<drove the R

Perfectly dry here right now.

Erik95LS · Post by **Erik95LS** » September 19th, 2006, 2:07 pm

Dave_B wrote:
Though not in an ITR (hell not even close) Here's a lap of sebring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrplsATAoE

What are you talking about? Thats nearly identical to an ITR.

Man I want to drive that track......in that car.

I wonder also if maybe you're putting in too much steering input. Turning the wheel too far can actually make you understeer more than if you backed off the wheel just a bit. A tire only has so much slip angle before it lets go and momentum takes over. So if you're going through a corner and understeering, straightening the wheel just a little bit could actually make you turn more in certain cases. Now I'm not telling you this so you go try and drive off the outside of the track. I'm just giving you some things to consider and look into. I've been in many cases where this has been true and I used to put in way way too much steering until someone pointed htis out to me and I backed it off a bit on certain corners and it worked wonderfully.

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:07 pm

I'm meeting up with Mike tonight to pic up a muffler..

Erik95LS · Post by **Erik95LS** » September 19th, 2006, 2:08 pm

walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.

I thought my

made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:08 pm

Erik95LS wrote:
Dave_B wrote:
Though not in an ITR (hell not even close) Here's a lap of sebring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrplsATAoE
What are you talking about? Thats nearly identical to an ITR.

Man I want to drive that track......in that car.

I wonder also if maybe you're putting in too much steering input. Turning the wheel too far can actually make you understeer more than if you backed off the wheel just a bit. A tire only has so much slip angle before it lets go and momentum takes over. So if you're going through a corner and understeering, straightening the wheel just a little bit could actually make you turn more in certain cases. Now I'm not telling you this so you go try and drive off the outside of the track. I'm just giving you some things to consider and look into. I've been in many cases where this has been true and I used to put in way way too much steering until someone pointed htis out to me and I backed it off a bit on certain corners and it worked wonderfully.

That's actually my buddy Johnathan driving that car. He was in the support race for the ALMS 12 hours of Sebring.

I'll keep the slip angle thing in mind for next time. It very well may have been to much input. That's something I didn't think much about. I'll talk to the instructor and see what he thinks on it.

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:09 pm

Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.

oh,

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:09 pm

walker111 wrote:I'm meeting up with Mike tonight to pic up a muffler..

For your broke ass'd accord?

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:11 pm

Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.

Did that make Jim's face go

and your face go

?

Erik95LS · Post by **Erik95LS** » September 19th, 2006, 2:12 pm

Doespike wrote: Cool, wrote his name, will look into his books soon. Forgot all about howstuffworks.com haha.
Basically one of the only mods I desire on my GS would be to reduce bodyroll in corners. When I'm driving, I hit turns fairly hard when its dry out and traffic allows. I searched "over there" and mostly came up with "slamming" threads But alot of those guys complained about performance after their coilover change or whatever, but it "looked" good. Again,
This looks like what I'm looking for, but I'm thinking springs should be upgraded at the very least. Even with the reinforcement kit, I'd think my subframe may eventually get damaged. And Joe don't want that But then I get to thinking what are the limits of my OEM shocks and how much stiffer of a spring could they handle.
But I don't want to do anything until I learn a whole lot more..

Might want to try only the eibach pro-kit springs. They should be fine on your stock shocks or you could get some ITR shocks for cheap. Hell even the whole stock ITR suspension would be great on your car and very cost effective. It would reduce body roll by a good bit and you wouldn't really have to worry about swaybars or your subframe unless you decided that that still wasnt' enough. The pro0kit is very good too. about .5-1 in lower and not harsh at all, even on stock shocks.

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:13 pm

I know once I get that GS-R I'm putting the stock ITR sussy on it. I've got it waiting just for the occasion.

Erik95LS · Post by **Erik95LS** » September 19th, 2006, 2:13 pm

Dave_B wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.
Did that make Jim's face go and your face go ?

Me = pitcher

Jim = catcher

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:13 pm

No for my broke ass girlfriends civic.

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:14 pm

Erik95LS wrote:
Dave_B wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.
Did that make Jim's face go and your face go ?
Me = pitcher
Jim = catcher

Yeah, something like that....

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:14 pm

Erik95LS wrote:
Dave_B wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.
Did that make Jim's face go and your face go ?
Me = pitcher
Jim = catcher

where is the puking smiley when you need it?

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:14 pm

walker111 wrote:No for my broke ass girlfriends civic.

WTF is up with you guys and mufflers?

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:15 pm

I think Dave's gonna get it

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:15 pm

walker111 wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
Dave_B wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.
Did that make Jim's face go and your face go ?
Me = pitcher
Jim = catcher
where is the puking smiley when you need it?

Dis one?

Or the one that actually pukes?

Erik95LS · Post by **Erik95LS** » September 19th, 2006, 2:15 pm

walker111 wrote:
Erik95LS wrote:
walker111 wrote: Because with alot of power accelerationg thru a turn can induce understeer. I can take my car and virtually stomp on the gas in a turn, that same turn with my friends turbo R i plow because the wheels break loose. There are other variables involved, just saying with alot of power you can understeer whenever you want.
I thought my made it clear Iwas just giving you a hard time.
oh,

I know that the engine is a variable, but at corner entry, unless you're full throttle or have some mammoth motor it will have almost no effect.

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:15 pm

Dave_B wrote:
walker111 wrote:No for my broke ass girlfriends civic.
WTF is up with you guys and mufflers?

No shit

Dave_B · Post by **Dave_B** » September 19th, 2006, 2:15 pm

walker111 wrote:I think Dave's gonna get it

Why, cause you think I'm going to cheat? Nope, whoever gets it, gets it. I don't really care.

walker111 · Post by **walker111** » September 19th, 2006, 2:16 pm