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JReyes wrote:In regards to EVERYTHING posted in the last 2 pages....

I'm on the west coast and located closer to willow springs than any ITR owner in the country. i have had multiple emails with cheezthis regarding the local area, track conditions, lodging etc. i have given him detailed milage from HPD head quarters to both Willow springs and Buttonwillow and well as gone into detail on what tracks are best suited for our caR's..
so while it might not be public knowledge the committee is getting detailed info from a local here in the west.

Jay also explained that this event would have NO affiliation with NASA. if anything it would be more of an exhibition/practice type event for the the HC drivers.

We can all go back and forth about how the west coast has poor attendance at expo.. (its true) but lets be honest it isn't easy for anyone to take a week off of work, drive across the country, beat the crap out of your car (and your body) for 2 days and drive home.
if E11 comes west i'm sure it will lose some east coast attendance...just the same as it has never gained it from the west.
there are 2 sides to everything.

i'm not going to say that all 41 people on the west coast list are going to actually come through, but i feel more than confident that if the event did actually come this way i personally will do everything in my power to make sure it's one for the books..

Thanks for the post I agree with you and thank you for all of your help thus far.

I will correct one thing though. The NASA involvement is still unknown. I will let Wes be the main communicator of that as he had direct communication with all the major parties. So, we cannot say they will not be involved, small involvement, or more just yet. It's a big issue for some of us, but we're all working on it a solution.

And yes, I agree, it's tough for the west coast to get involved when it's far away.

whoops i guess i jumped the gun on the NASA part, i've edited my original post.

anything i can do to help i'm here for support.

JReyes wrote:whoops i guess i jumped the gun on the NASA part, i've edited my original post.

anything i can do to help i'm here for support.

No worries, thanks! If this goes through, people like yourself and some others (kahuna has helped as well so far) will be vital for the local tips and advice.

Kimo your not making this anymore easier for Jared and I. Just relax a bit. We are working on a deposit plan, so just chill for a bit OK.

YellowKahuna wrote:Kimo your not making this anymore easier for Jared and I. Just relax a bit. We are working on a deposit plan, so just chill for a bit OK.

I'm sorry Isaac, I'm just a bit upset that all I read are doubts and speculations why E11 on the West wouldn't work; not a good idea; that group morale will decline; etc...

If they've got nothing else better to say about the West then they can have it to themselves! I won't be any more interested, I can find another track event I could attend! And then they have the balls to say "Then why are we having this post about E11 going West then?" after they give all the negative attributes of E11 heading West. What the hell is that???

IntegraTionR wrote:

YellowKahuna wrote:Kimo your not making this anymore easier for Jared and I. Just relax a bit. We are working on a deposit plan, so just chill for a bit OK.

I'm sorry Isaac, I'm just a bit upset that all I read are doubts and speculations why E11 on the West wouldn't work; not a good idea; that group morale will decline; etc...

If they've got nothing else better to say about the West then they can have it to themselves! I won't be any more interested, I can find another track event I could attend! And then they have the balls to say "Then why are we having this post about E11 going West then?" after they give all the negative attributes of E11 heading West. What the hell is that???

How far are you willing to travel to be at expo 11?

TeamPortugal wrote:How far are you willing to travel to be at expo 11?

I'm sorry, are you questioning my commitment? Heeeyyy! Whadya know, another doubter!!!

I'll go as far as the majority of the West ITRs are willing to go.
I go where ever the pack goes!

Its a money thing, we didn't have the money to bring it out here.

We need to show them we have money to make this happen. Its all numbers in the end, there is no east and west, just Yes and No. Yes its possible, No it's not possible.

Where has the money been coming from to support Expo? I can tell you it's not us, even though I was ready to roll out last year in August not in July .

Kimo, I need you to spread the word about Expo to other ITR owners and we have to get them excited about Expo. I need to show them we have the money to support the event. The only way thats going to happen is if I have a whole bunch of ITR owners who are going to put up the money for the event PERIOD

No money, no event

There not bashing us, they are using different terminology as money, in which case only looks like they are bashing the west.

Out of the 100% of the east guys, 25% is going to make it out to the west.
You now what that means Kimo?
That means we (the west) needs to make up 75%
Do you know how much 75% is ?
Thats a lot of $$$ to make up
Do you know who has money Kimo?
People do.

If we don't have enough people willing to put up money for the event should we still have Expo out in the WEST?

NO, no we shouldn't.

Expo will go to a location where it can find people to support the Event. In this case, thats why Expo has been in the locations in the past.

# of people + $$$ = location of Expo

So when you say stuff like this

IntegraTionR wrote: If they've got nothing else better to say about the West then they can have it to themselves!

It makes harder for Jared and I to make this happen. I don't want to lose their attention.
So just relax for a bit like El Type R It's not personal.

The topic was going fine 5 pages in. Then it just went to doodoo about the time when someone said that if E11 failed in the West, the morale of fellow loyalist would drop and interest in Expo would decline and that Expo4 failed due to the West's lack of attendance.

It just makes me feel like failure from the get-go!!! Just reading all these post about how Expo lack presence from the West and that it's a gamble, etc...

Give me a break; I didn't even own an ITR till '04. I didn't even know what EXPO was at that time!

What ever...at this point, I really don't care anymore that E11 come here or not.
I'll go where ever the pack goes as stated. I'll say this again one last time: "I won't be surprise if it failed again" because there is too much enthusiasm!!! Too much constructive criticism!!!

Just chill out man lol

People are people. Either we are going to have the money for it or we are not.

No failure here.

I want Expo to be successful anywhere it's at.

IntegraTionR wrote:

TeamPortugal wrote:How far are you willing to travel to be at expo 11?

I'm sorry, are you questioning my commitment? Heeeyyy! Whadya know, another doubter!!!

I'll go as far as the majority of the West ITRs are willing to go.
I go where ever the pack goes!

He's not a doubter.

His point is that others are willing to travel thousands of miles, including from the EC to the WC to go to Expo, but you don't seem to be. He is questioning your commitment, but not questioning a west coast Expo.

Why does it matter how far "the majority of West ITRs are willing to go"? You can't drive by yourself?

Also, Expo is a track event, but that's not the point of Expo. Getting to see people you haven't seen since last year's Expo is the point. It's a social event more than a track event. IMO the HPDE portion is the smallest part of expo. That's something people don't understand until they start going to expos.

Listen to the other WC guys posting here, they understand both sides of the discussion and are both being helpful in making a WC Expo a reality.

^LOL.

Get your panties out of a wad tionR.

Don't be apart of the problem, be apart of the solution. Just like your buddy said, you're not making their case any easier here. If you feel so strongly about the west coast than start fronting some money or finding ways too. bitch bitch bitch isn't going to get you far. Everyone's posts here (except mine) are pretty well thought out and all have very good reasoning behind them. Take a second, breathe, re-read the posts, and try to see where everyone is coming from. This has to be a team-effort, not a who's dick/coast is bigger & better.

Yoshi and Kelly

those two guys.....fo shizzle

CivicBeater wrote:^LOL.

Get your panties out of a wad tionR.

Don't be apart of the problem, be apart of the solution. Just like your buddy said, you're not making their case any easier here. If you feel so strongly about the west coast than start fronting some money or finding ways too. bitch bitch bitch isn't going to get you far. Everyone's posts here (except mine) are pretty well thought out and all have very good reasoning behind them. Take a second, breathe, re-read the posts, and try to see where everyone is coming from. This has to be a team-effort, not a who's dick/coast is bigger & better.

You say I bitch too much? I was just proving my point! And where would you like me to send my deposit? I'm waiting for instructions...

Let me put it in another way you might understand; Flip the picture around and let me give you an example of how I see it:
Lets say that the committee, had an eye on bringing Expo to North Carolina, but history shows lack of participation from NC. Now here I come along, a respectable, loyal returning member of Expo from CA and I gave you all my reasons why it would not be successful by judging from the past. And if I told you that if all fails, morale of the group will diminish as well; North Carolina people are nothing but hard-parkers anyways; no one would want to get back on board; the majority of California loyalist Expo goers will drop in numbers, etc, etc...

Wouldn't that make you feel like shit since you live there? I basically passed judgement on you and the people of NC and stated the obvious that the majority of former Expo goers won't be attending because of the drive.
That is obviously something to expect when talking about long drives and was not necessary to mention, but some don't know where to draw the line. They keep fueling the fire with talks of doubts and speculations.

What if I said; Hey Eric, gather up your people so we can gauge how many prospective attendee/drivers we would get from North Carolina.
Then here comes along another member who writes; I wonder how many of that list is actually going to sign up when it comes time. All I've seen are show cars and beach meets coming from North Carolina. It would be different if they showed that they've actually organized track meets, etc.......

(Someone wrote something similar to this in an earlier posts)
Give me you're reasoning from that passage! Or do you want me to draw you a different picture?
Can you see that it's all opposite of constructive criticism?

The east (east of Mississippi, if you want to get technical about it) say that the West bitch too much!!!
Well, I poured out my deep sentiments about my view of the discussion so far and I'm at a point where I really don't care about EXPO any longer.

This is just my personal view. I do not account for the entire state of CA or the West region.

IntegraTionR wrote:[I'm at a point where I really don't care about EXPO any longer.

shame as that would be your loss

IntegraTionR wrote:I'm at a point where I really don't care about EXPO any longer.

It's quite apparent if the organizers made this thread that you guys have a strong chance of having an expo in your back yard regardless of the opinions of others.

Keep hyping it up, at bare minimum if it doesn't happen then roll that hype into a local event. It won't exactly be the same but you'll still be positively helping out the cause, and effectively shutting up people from the east coast (which I found is all states besides California).

BlueR wrote:

IntegraTionR wrote:[I'm at a point where I really don't care about EXPO any longer.

shame as that would be your loss

That's one of my points...

Mark, If you got nothing constructive to say, don't say it at all! Or should I say "You can keep your smart ass comments to yourself".
It is obvious you don't see where I'm going with this!

out of respect for the topic at hand i will not burn this thread down but oh no you didn't

IntegraTionR wrote:

You say I bitch too much? I was just proving my point! And where would you like me to send my deposit? I'm waiting for instructions...

Let me put it in another way you might understand; Flip the picture around and let me give you an example of how I see it:
Lets say that the committee, had an eye on bringing Expo to North Carolina, but history shows lack of participation from NC. Now here I come along, a respectable, loyal returning member of Expo from CA and I gave you all my reasons why it would not be successful by judging from the past. And if I told you that if all fails, morale of the group will diminish as well; North Carolina people are nothing but hard-parkers anyways; no one would want to get back on board; the majority of California loyalist Expo goers will drop in numbers, etc, etc...

Wouldn't that make you feel like shit since you live there? I basically passed judgement on you and the people of NC and stated the obvious that the majority of former Expo goers won't be attending because of the drive.

No. you're still completely and utterly missing the point.

Please quit feeding the negativity.

As mentioned, we are moving forward with nailing down some specifics so that we can gather "real" data and not go off of perception.

At this point - I would like those interesteted in seeing Expo being successful, touch base with your fellow ITR and honda buds and try and build some excitement around the idea

Erik95LS wrote: No. you're still completely and utterly missing the point.

He picked a bad example state too, since multiple NC'ers went to Expo 1 in Cali

Kimo,
Remember that these guys are basing their comments from previous history. dont take these comments personally or get defensive please!
We have a small group of guys here in california working with the committee to provide as much information as possible. we understand that you are trying to defend the west coasters but it's only making things harder on us.

remember that we're all on the same team here. lets keep the focus on making E11 the best it can be.

JReyes wrote:Kimo,
Remember that these guys are basing their comments from previous history. dont take these comments personally or get defensive please!
We have a small group of guys here in california working with the committee to provide as much information as possible. we understand that you are trying to defend the west coasters but it's only making things harder on us.

remember that we're all on the same team here. lets keep the focus on making E11 the best it can be.

:thumbup: Well said.

And thank you for the e-mails you've sent Jay so far.

We all are looking for the same goal man. --> Expo 11 being a huge success. Regardless where it is, we all just want it to be the best event to date.

That being said, there are so many factors that go into it, that just numbers of people attending isn't the only one. Able bodied instructors is HUGE. As we all know safety is probably the BIGGEST concern.
I'm hoping the west can bring the house! and we can all kick it in So. Cal together and meet new people and experience a new track together. If that's not in the cards, I would hope you would try and get yourself and everyone you can to go to E11 wherever it may be. Regardless, I'm going to do everything I can to be there, meaning 130k+ gsr having to get to California then so be it. The experience of getting there is half the fun
I'm newer to the Expo events (E9 and E10), and don't know many there, but I will tell you, it will absolutely be the most fun event you attend because of the group of guys who run it/attend!

Erik95LS wrote:No. you're still completely and utterly missing the point.

Now that I've expressed my understanding of your post Erik, could you please then explain to me what you meant in your initial post yesterday?

You have stated: "I really do think a west coast expo at this time will really slow down and lead the core of the group to begin to forget about it."

Please emphasize on that, as I don't understand your logic behind what makes you think that it will slow down the momentum.
Are you implying that "the core of the group" will loose faith if it fails? And who is "the core of the group"???
Because I surely don't want that to happen as with the rest of us. Which I feel pressured to put out. Like as if I have something to prove in order to keep "the core of the group" happy.

You can't say that I've contributed to any shortcoming of any Expo's, but I can't say I've put in work either.
So if you're part of the committee, show me clear instructions on what you would like to see from me instead of setting me up for failure.