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Re: type r japan

Posted: January 30th, 2006, 4:13 pm
by nsxtasy
gsrjigga wrote:What about US value of a stock 98 JDM integra registerd in the US?
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... will that car hold its value like an actual us itr?
IMHO, it's impossible to talk about the market value of a one-of-a-kind ITR (just like a one-of-a-kind any car). The reason is, you just don't have a lot of comparable sales of similar cars to use to estimate how much the car is worth. With any unusual car - whether it's JDM, or highly modded, or salvage title - it might sell for a really low price, or it might sell for a really high price, or it might not sell at all. There's no way to tell what someone might be able to sell it for, or whether it will hold its value.

Posted: January 30th, 2006, 4:36 pm
by walker111
walker111 wrote:
nsxtasy wrote:
walker111 wrote:Being that we started with 3850 Type R's, how many are really left? It has to be atleast under 3 thousand, I'm sure less.
It may easily be significantly more than three thousand.

Are we both just guessing here, or do you have any actual hard data to support your claim?
I'm making a somewhat educated guess. You honestly think that through all accidents, thefts, flood or total loss there is more than 3000 ITR's left? What do you think the number of clear title ITR's is? I respect your opinion dont get me wrong I truly find it interesting. I hope over on HT we can get something going to find the real answer!

So give me your educated guess :D
Ken, can you give your educated guess on this?

Posted: January 31st, 2006, 10:00 am
by BERT-O
From what I've seen the under carraige of cars for the last 5 years, a car that was orginally from up north worth less than a car that is from the south. Well, if the northern car was garage kept and free from the salty winter months, then it will differ.

We see alot of problems from snowbirds that comes in for a minor alignment tune-up :?

Re: type r japan

Posted: January 31st, 2006, 10:40 am
by naDC2R
gsrjigga wrote:What about US value of a stock 98 JDM integra registerd in the US?
41,ooo km on the engine

Real stok and real clean

found some one sellin it for 18,000.. and was kinda in interested in purchasing it...

But my question is... will that car hold its value like an actual us itr?
yea, i was wondering the same thing, for my 96 spec-R, also with mods done to it. Never seen winter, barely any rain, with 57,xxx kilometers on it, the underneath bolts still have the factory shine to them, lol.

Posted: February 2nd, 2006, 2:08 pm
by nsxtasy
walker111 wrote:Ken, can you give your educated guess on this?
All this is, is a guess, along with some assumptions based on outside information. Don't like it? Make your own guess. :)

We start out with 3850 cars sold in the States.

I'll exclude from the analysis the small number of cars that are imported/exported legally (JDM cars brought in, Canadians buying USM cars in the States, Americans buying CM cars in Canada).

What can happen to a car to cause it to disappear?

- It can be stolen. However, some of those cars are recovered. Some of those cars may have the parts sold, but the shell may be rebuilt. So either way, some of the stolen cars may reappear. Others may be totally parted out, and still others may be shipped overseas, so those are cars that disappear (within the States, anyway).

- It can be crashed and totalled. (You can include other sources of damage, e.g. flood, in this category.) Again, some of those cars are rebuilt with a salvage title (and some even get their titles washed somehow), so they reappear. Others may get parts sold and what's left either sits in a junkyard or gets crushed - in either case, those are cars that disappear, too.

Press reports on the cars that are most often stolen (the latest report shows the 1999 Integra, which doesn't include any Type R's) says that 1 out of 200 cars are stolen in a year. Let's say, just for argument's sake, that the theft rate for ITRs is four times as high. That would be 1 out of 50 cars stolen in a year (2 percent).

I have no idea how many cars get totalled in crashes. I'll guess another 2 percent per year. Again, just a guess.

That makes for 96 percent of the cars that don't get stolen or totalled in any given year. If you take that percentage and crank the original numbers in a spreadsheet based on model year, you'll find that of the 3,850 cars originally sold, 2,963 of them are around and have never been stolen or totalled.

As far as the other 887 cars, you'll have to decide how you want to count them. How many of the stolen ones are still around, with theft titles? How many of the crashed ones are still around, with salvage titles? How many of those titles have been washed? Are we counting only cars with clean titles, and if so, does that include the washed titles? Or are we counting all cars still around?

If you assume that one fourth of the stolen cars and three fourths of the crashed cars are recovered and rebuilt, you then have 2,963 cars with legitimate clean titles and another 443 cars with branded titles (or washed titles).

Again, this is just a guess, based on the assumptions noted here. Make your own assumptions, plug in the numbers, and you can come up with your own guess.

Posted: February 2nd, 2006, 2:25 pm
by walker111
Damn!!! Thanks, I know its only a guess but I'm interested in what people think about this. When looked at the way you put it it doesnt seem like that much, I would think it would be alot less "Real" Clean Title ITR's on the road. I guess we will never know....

Thanks for your response!!!

Jim