*HELP PLEASE* Business Deal Gone HORRIBLY Wrong (w/ JjuuN R)

[boy_huot]

Original thread can be found here:http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2795043

October 2010 UPDATE

Hello fellow community members. This update has been a long time in the making and I am sorry for those I left in the dark without any news. Reason I did that was because I thought it would be my best chances at resolving this mess I am in, but little did I know it really didn't matter from the get-go.

Lets move on to the issue at hand. For those who vouched for Cory by pm and afterwards in these threads, I'm sorry to say that Cory is nothing like the man you all described. I have no doubts that he was a stand-up guy in all of your eyes but when presented with this situation, he is doing exactly what a dead-beat scammer would do. This post of mine is the perfect opportunity for him to come in here and whine and cry about how he is busy/has no real need to help me/is innocent blah blah blah and I won't be surprised if he uses this as an out or disappears altogether. I sure as hell am not expecting him to come in here explaining himself. He has been making false promises and leading me on for months with nothing but headaches for anyone involved trying to help. Let me explain more in details before people start thinking I'm a b*tch for calling him out this way.

After the threads were taken down in late June by Ken (Nsxtacy on honda-tech), Ken acted as a mediator and things were looking good. Cory faxed Ken an affidavit that I sent to him made from my legal people whom Ken then faxed to me. Cory then told me he would send me the originally signed affidavit by mail, which I had specifically requested at the start and which had just been faxed. In early July, Cory stated he sent it out. 2 weeks passed with no original in the mail. It is now mid July. I let both parties (Ken and Cory) know and asked Cory to get another separate ORIGINAL signed and mailed off to Ken this time, since the first original had already been mailed/lost to me. He obliged. Shortly after he confirms that he sent a 2nd original to Ken, I receive a post from Cory. It is a photocopy of the first affidavit originally faxed. Shortly thereafter, Ken receives a same photocopy of the originally faxed affidavit. You heard right, I have 2 copies of the faxed affidavit, none of which are original (signed in ink), both of which were suppsed to be different original affidavits. Cory sent out 2 of these same copies by post even though he knew I needed originals. To this day, I don’t know what his reasoning was for this. I asked but with no answer.

Some of you may be asking now, like Ken did, why I couldn't just use the fax or one of the copies. Let me tell you, if I could, I would and I did try. My bank had put in the request on my behalf. This request was sent to the fraud/legal department of my bank. For those of you familiar with Law, original documents are fairly important. They came back to me and said the photocopies were unacceptable. Cory had questioned me many times afterwards even telling me that his own lawyer stated "Your bank telling you that you need an original is 100% giving you the run around". Cory seems to know exactly what's best for my bank. I tried telling him that 1) You lied about sending me/Ken 2 different originals and 2) What the hell does it matter to you why my bank needs an original. If that's what they need then that's what it's going to take so just help me out.

By late July, Cory cuts off all communication with me. Ken still has luck and is trying his best to get Cory to send out an original. Cory then cuts off communication with Ken sometime mid-August. I hope Ken is reading this as he can clear up any doubts anyone has or throw in a comment if I am stretching the truth, or to just put in his 2 cents. When September rolls around, I start feeling bad that I put Ken in this difficult situation and no longer ask him to try and contact Cory for me. I know for a fact Ken is fed-up. I try to contact Cory myself and to my amazement, he responds to me after over 2 months. He states that he has been extremely busy and will have time in early October (3 weeks away at this point). I bite my tongue one last time in hopes that he is telling the truth. October 5th is the last I have heard from Cory.
"90% sure I'll be able to get to the bank tomorrow." This was on a Tuesday.
I have followed up twice since then and have heard nothing. I really believe he is gone for good.

The more I think about all the little things I have caught and noticed, the more I believe Cory has my money. It’s just too perfect of a crime for Cory to be completely innocent from. I know I have no solid proof though. From what I’ve seen when things like this happen, the person being accused either
1) fights for his name to the death – clarifies the situation, keeps good communication w community and person involved, or
2) runs away for days (thinking of excuses, a la Cory) before eventually coming back to try and save face and show they are not a scammer, or
3) just disappears completely. Cory is a combination of 2 and 3.

It is not possible for a n00b like me to upstage a ‘well-established’ member in Cory w just my accusations if the community didn’t believe they were at least a bit true. Cory could have easily just let everyone know this was all a misunderstanding by keeping reasonable contact, but instead he did the opposite and has all but disappeared from posting on internet forums. FYI he had over 14k posts and was posting multiple times a day before this happened. I ask anyone who has more then a casual relationship w Cory to try and talk to him as my $2100 is in limbo and he is the only person who can help me out unfortunately. Thank you all for your time and patience and I’ll be happy to respond to any questions, pm’s, etc. Cheers all!


**Pre Cheque-Trace Update

2 NEW Links found (remove spaces after http) which is reason for update.

http ://forums.honda-tekh.com/zerothread?id=3526&page=487 Post by DAVE_B near bottom of page
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2593196 Post #12

Hey guys,

I've received such overwhelming support from all over and I want to say as sincerly as I can, thanks. I will try to make this update as clear and detailed as possible while keeping it relatively short, or not. Please note that the trace has not come back to me yet. It should real soon. Grab some snacks. I`ve started to piece together some info and it is worrying me. I am going to address all concerns posted in my threads and tell you the reasons why I have to deal with Cory in this way. Again if there is ever a need for proof, I will post it. Everything I am stating, I have proof for. Cory please respond to EVERYTHING I say because that's how we're going to clear things up. We're going to start with the little things I noticed you said deeper into our pm's and emails which didn't jive with what you said the first time.

Cory, you stated that you haven't used paypal for many years. There are other personal details that I won't mention out of respect for your privacy. I then find info on the rctech forums that you potentially scammed 6 members using your email as your paypal. You tell us all that these issues were a mistake and that they have been resolved. There were no updated posts in those rctech forums provided below from the victims, which is HIGHLY unlikely. We could even go as far as trying to contact these members to see if you really did square up with them. You told me Cory that you only had 1 issue online EVER, and it wasn't even any of the ones I found. It was someone else from the UK.

You gave me a long list of people who would vouch for you. Many did, some said nothing, 1 vouched negatively. After I posted this thread, others kind of came forward and stated that they knew you had issues with this stuff, but didn't know details so they didn't get involved. More issues I find on top of the 'only' 1 you stated you stated you were involved in which was after I confronted you with the bad vouch. No use in crying over spilt milk but it would have really helped to have known all this.

You told me you had the wheels packed and ready with my USPS shipping label on them already. Can you now provide timely pics of this (by tomorrow morning)? You also stated you packed my rims in the original Mugen MF-10 boxes. I asked for pics and you said your wife had the camera, and then never provided any after I asked again. Members, I ask anyone who would know: Can 16x7 Mugen MF10 rims fit in their original boxes with 215-45-16 rubber mounted on them and shipped safely? No stretching boxes, etc. This is what Cory claimed.

The whole time leading up to the sale, you've replied very timely. Many times daily even. After I sent the cheque and by the time it should have reached you, your replies took as long as a couple of days. You weren't as punctual. I mentioned many times I would send it via regular post, which I now know was a mistake. And you want to tell me that you warned me. You had 2-3 opportunities of me mentioning it.

After I inquire about the rims fitting into the boxes, you tell me their actually 17 inch rim boxes, and that you still don't have pics. Even then, members, is this fitment possible? In you last PM at me you tell me that I better not be playing around. Well now we know that I really did send it and soon we will know when and where it was cashed.

Everyone has been asking why I sent the money the way I did. Cory said this was the only way, but it was mainly the vouches from reputable members that gave me the confidence to deal. Would I do it again after similar vouches, hell yes. I have faith in this community. Cory, you said you didn`t know how to do a direct wire transfer, or any banking related transactions involving sales. All you had to do was give me your account info. You do basic banking and have a bank account, don't you?

Your response to my own threads here was very positive and a great sign for me. However, you seem to be trying to play the good guy. I have emails of you being a lot more non-chalent where I got the impression from you of `too bad, so sad`. You denied even knowing what rctech was, and again, you claim in these threads it was a mistake you made in the past. More confessions you didnt need to lie to me about. You stated in your Las Vegas Parrots classifieds link below that you are soon moving to Germany. This was the end of May, 2010. Are you really moving?

I want to clear up the cheque for everyone. I sent it certified, meaning in Canada that it is like cash. It has been paid for;it has nothing to do with my bank account anymore; it is guarenteed to whoever it's payable to; there is no 'reversing' of funds. The protection part was that it was payable to Cory.

I am very relaxed and calm actually, just a bit stressed out. I know times are tough. I genuinely want to believe in your claims man. You have a house to pay for and more responsibilities on the way. But if you did the unthinkable, I ask that you kindly undo them. Believe me I am a very forgiving person. We do not have to go through police/investigations/online FBI reporting/banks, etc.

If you didn't do it, Im sorry that the above has me sounding like I believe you did. All thats posted above justified me to bring this issue public. I hope you don`t stay upset with me and see that I have everything to lose here. Please stay true to your word and do everything possible to clear this up with me and the community. I ask that you bring all the documents I provide to you with someone who may potentially volunteer to help me (as an added layer of security because I no longer fully trust you) to the police station and if necessary/proven, the bank that it was cashed at. Thanks, and again please respond to everything above.
If anyone in the Las Vegas area would like to help, please do because I am asking.

END of update.

Hello All,

I've recently purchased a set of 16x7 +43 Bronze Mugen MF-10's from JjuuN R for $2100 USD. Long story short (with all accompanying evidence to be provided), I sent payment on Thursday June 10th via certified check to his name and address, regular post, double enveloped (cannot see through).

Up until now, Cory has stated that he has not received the check. I've traced it through my bank and they say it's been accounted for/cashed. In the next coming days we will find out exactly where, when, and maybe by who. I'm trying to give Cory the benefit of the doubt here, as many of the members in this community have vouched for Cory. But I find it very hard to believe that a check sent out to his name and address has been intercepted by someone not knowing it was coming and who had to have had Cory's ID to cash it. However, after doing some more in-depth research, to my horror this is what I've found.

After googling 'JjuuN R scammed', I found this:

'http://www.rctech.net/forum/trader-feed ... ammer.html'

which leads to

'http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-items-s ... -sale.html'
and
'http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-items-s ... uun-r.html'

If you google 'jjuunpyr@hotmail.com', which is his email you will find this:

'http://www.usedgardengear.com/lasvegas/ ... vegas-1000'

I really hope he is not moving to Germany soon. It also has his phone number that I will need soon for investigative purposes.

I will be posting all the evidence and details of this matter (traced check, pm's, emails) in the coming days and really hope that Cory become involved in this issue with me. Cory, I'm not putting any lables on you, but had to do this being in my situation. Honda-Tech, especially those living in the Las Vegas area, and Mr. Muffin Man, please help me out. It took me months to save to buy this birthday present for myself.

I have his name, address, email, phone #, and you guys. I will be needing a liason for the police, bank, and whatever else. Any advice/comments/suggestions would be great and I look forward to hearing from you all. Thanks.

[Dave_B]

I have heard more bad things than good about him in the past year or so. Sorry to hear what's going on.

Did the bank state if he cashed it, they can put a stop payment, or do anything about it?

Also, a tip... if your getting law enforcement involved I would not post public details.

[Erik95LS]

sorry to hear this. Tried to warn you though.

[itrsteez]

I thought it was odd when he gave the OP my name as a reference as if I've ever purchased anything from him. I really do wish you the best of luck.

[Erik95LS]

I thought it was odd when he gave the OP my name as a reference as if I've ever purchased anything from him. I really do wish you the best of luck.

yeah and mine too since he's treated me as his mortal enemy for years since I said Mugen wings were overpriced....

[Dave_B]

So he actually used you guys' names as vouches?

[boy_huot]

Dave, can we take this through pm's in more details?

Erik, you were the only one out almost 15 people with a negative vouch. I'm sorry now that I didn't listen to you.

[Dave_B]

My PM box is always open.

[Comp97GSR]

I never responded to the PM for a vouche as I heard what happened with Geoff, but I didn't have enough info to make any statements about Cory. But if Erik tried to warn the guy and he decided to proceed with the purchase, what can we do?

I think you should post the S/N of the 15 people who gave a positive vouche.

[itrsteez]

All I said was "I'm not sure if he confused me with somebody else but I've never purchased anything from him. I know he has spent a lot of time on here but I'm not sure how far that goes.

Would you be going through paypal?"

[cheezthis]

I saw a message among the many I receive. I did not reply but knew that Erik did. I knew of some things not going down well before but did not remember the details.

Get your bank to cancel that payment as fraud. ...and leave it at that. Find the wheels elsewhere instead of sending a different form of payment.

[itrsteez]

I wish you would of told me what exactly you were buying, king is selling them for $1999 right now

[boy_huot]

I purchased these knowing that. Cory had it with new Falken Azenis RT-215 and shipping all for $2100. Thanks for the heads up though.

[cheezthis]

I purchased these knowing that. Cory had it with new Falken Azenis RT-215 and shipping all for $2100. Thanks for the heads up though.

Azenis RT-215 have not been made since around 05, so they cannot be that new. They started making RT-615 around that time, and earlier this year, they started making RT-615k. Just a heads up.

Again, do whatever you can with your bank to get the money back in your acct. After that, just find them elsewhere...King if they have still, or if not, maybe someone reputable such as ICB Motorsport.

[boy_huot]

Again, thanks for the heads up. I knew that and the seller stated over 90% thread and I inquired about the age/condition/storage of these dated tires.

[cheezthis]

Good luck...PM me as well. I'd like to discuss something else off the boards.

[CivicBeater]

Hope this works out for you.

[boy_huot]

updated original post

[cheezthis]

Although this thread on honda-tech was temporarily removed, I'm leaving it up here. If Jun.R, or whatever is old screen name was, was not repeat offender with this stuff, I'd say otherwise. However, this isn't the first time we have heard this type of story.

[itrsteez]

why the hell was it removed from HT?

that whole transaction reeks of scam.

[CivicBeater]

Although this thread on honda-tech was temporarily removed, I'm leaving it up here. If Jun.R, or whatever is old screen name was, was not repeat offender with this stuff, I'd say otherwise. However, this isn't the first time we have heard this type of story.

I think it should stay open to keep pressure on the situation getting resolved. Deleting/closing only gives the "scammer" more of a chance for the issue to be swept under the rug.

[stinkycheezmonky]

Although this thread on honda-tech was temporarily removed, I'm leaving it up here. If Jun.R, or whatever is old screen name was, was not repeat offender with this stuff, I'd say otherwise. However, this isn't the first time we have heard this type of story.

Jay, was the thread in the ITR forum? I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens.

[cheezthis]

Yes, it was in there. It's currently "temporarily deleted" and replaced by a thread from Ken explaining that he removed it for now. The hopes are that things will be remedied. In some cases, I'd agree. However, this isn't the first time this has happened with that guy. No one will ever learn if we hide it.

[boy_huot]

ttt

[itrsteez]

he never fixed this? I see him post on nwp4life all the time