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Regional Divisions - Vote Here

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 12:41 pm
by Trey
First I would like to get a few suggestions as to what the divisions should be. Please use this map as your sketch pad.

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Now, divide up the US so that there is balanced regions. THere are states that can go either way so I want some input. Louisiana and Arkansas could easily be included or left out of the sourth east. Kentucky seems like a south eastern state but goes more readily with Indiana. We don't want a region to cover too much area due to lack of participation by those too far apart.

Let's see what you guys have got!

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 12:48 pm
by George Knighton
Considering the current makeup of ITR owners, it would help us continue to associate w/each other if Virginia, the Carolinas and Maryland somehow ended up in the same region.

I don't know if this is logically possible, but it would better help the current crop of ITR owners together who currently associate w/each other.

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 12:55 pm
by yoshi234
SoCal (including Calatalina Island)
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y:oshi - who wouldn't mind including Hawai'i :lol:

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 1:35 pm
by pyromaster
i 'd say Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee would be South East since that's how it's defined on http://www.itrca-se.com

-jeff

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 2:36 pm
by Dave-ROR
pyromaster wrote:i 'd say Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee would be South East since that's how it's defined on http://www.itrca-se.com

-jeff
Or just FL, GA, SC, NC and TN since those are the only good states anyways :P

Cali can be mixed with Idaho and the like, all stunna states :P

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 3:20 pm
by Austin
yoshi234 wrote:SoCal (including Calatalina Island)
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y:oshi - who wouldn't mind including Hawai'i :lol:
And you could take the rest of CA and make it Northern California...

MIDWEST

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 3:57 pm
by Todd C
For the Midwest Region...I would say:

Nebraska, South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, and Kansas

Re: MIDWEST

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 4:07 pm
by Ford Prefect
Todd C wrote:For the Midwest Region...I would say:

Nebraska, South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, and Kansas
Then where would you put OH, IN, IL, KY, WI, etc?

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 4:37 pm
by nsxtasy
In case it helps the discussion here, this is how the NSX Club of America is divided into regions:

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Posted: September 25th, 2002, 4:40 pm
by Trey
very nice.

So everyone use this as a starting point and debate anything we disagree with.

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 7:44 pm
by Ford Prefect
Well, regarding the NSXCA map, I just don't get how anyone could put states that are below the Mason-Dixon line (MD, DE, DC) in the Northeast. Also, Considering the metropolis that is Wash DC, it's kinda rediculous to have Virginia (or West Virginia) in a different region than Maryland.

Just my $.02

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 8:14 pm
by George Knighton
nsxtasy wrote:In case it helps the discussion here, this is how the NSX Club of America is divided into regions:

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I like this map!
Ford Prefect: I just don't get how anyone could put states that are below the Mason-Dixon line... in the Northeast. Also..it's kinda [ridiculous] to have Virginia (or West Virginia) in a different region than Maryland.
Mason's and Dixon's line has relevance? These days, I think we draw the line around Fredericksburg, anyway.

Most of Virginia is not in the DC metro area, and the parts that are go a-way out of the way not to be a functional or attitudinal part of it. I much prefer living in NoVA/Fairfax than being in either DC or Maryland.

But...if we have to pick between Maryland and Carolina, I think most ITR owners in Virginia would pick Carolina.

West Virginia: I think you are speaking of history more than logical accessibility. The Appalachians seem to form an effective cultural barrier between Virginia and West Virginia. As much as I love the beauty of West Virginia, I'm not sure that citizens of either Virginia or West Virginia would care if they were lumped together.

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 8:58 pm
by Bbasso
That map seems to work for me...

let go for it

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 9:01 pm
by Ford Prefect
George Knighton wrote:Mason's and Dixon's line has relevance? These days, I think we draw the line around Fredericksburg, anyway.
Well, most Marylanders don't think of themselves living in the "North-anything" that was my point. I would argee that the southern edge of the "DC area" is probably Fredricksburg.
George Knighton wrote:Most of Virginia is not in the DC metro area, and the parts that are go a-way out of the way not to be a functional or attitudinal part of it. I much prefer living in NoVA/Fairfax than being in either DC or Maryland.
I wasn't trying to imply your preference for residence. I would much rather live in Maryland, so what? To each his own.
George Knighton wrote:But...if we have to pick between Maryland and Carolina, I think most ITR owners in Virginia would pick Carolina.
That is certainly your perogative, I was only trying to say that I thought it would be silly to draw the line throught the DC area, since that would make the other side of town a different region. I for one would hate to find out that I missed a meet or show 10 miles from home because I was only following the news for my region. Then again, there are parts of Ohio that are closer to my home than the DC area is. Heck, Pittsburg is closer to me than DC ;-)
George Knighton wrote:West Virginia: I think you are speaking of history more than logical accessibility. The Appalachians seem to form an effective cultural barrier between Virginia and West Virginia. As much as I love the beauty of West Virginia, I'm not sure that citizens of either Virginia or West Virginia would care if they were lumped together.
I included West Virginia, since there are many residents there that commute to the DC area for work, also I guess because the WV line is only 6 miles from my home ;-)

Posted: September 25th, 2002, 9:11 pm
by George Knighton
Well, most Marylanders don't think of themselves living in the "North-anything" that was my point.
Would it work having an area big enough to have Virginia, DC, Maryland and Delaware all in the South East Region?

Would you prefer to go back to having a Mid Atlantic Region?

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 12:11 am
by jetydosa
The NSXCA map looks good to me. Curious as to where exactly SOCAL meets NOCAL? Forgive me I have never been to Californ-ia.

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 12:40 am
by 97 TYPE-R 312
Would you prefer to go back to having a Mid Atlantic Region?
Yes

The majority of R's that participate in events are from VA, MD, DC. Unless it's a track event, we get VA, MD, DC and NC.

We need to have 3 groups on the Altantic side here, as the length of the Atlantic Coast IS longer than the Pacific Coast....

I see it as a drivability issue. Say in the SE, will FL R's drive up to a meet in NC? Will ME R's drive down to MD?

Thanks,
Victor Perri II

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 12:44 am
by rudeITR
so does nor cal have a seperate category?..my first post :D

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 12:46 am
by George Knighton
97 TYPE-R 312 wrote:
Would you prefer to go back to having a Mid Atlantic Region?
Yes

The majority of R's that participate in events are from VA, MD, DC. Unless it's a track event, we get VA, MD, DC and NC.

I see it as a drivability issue.
Well, let's see. I drive to...

Summit Point.
VIR.
CMP.
Lowes.

I'll probably get talked into Beaver Run because it's a new track.

It seems to me that I've seen the NC gang at all those places.

I doubt that I'd drive to Road Atlanta or a place in Florida unless it were a vacation.

You said, unless it's a track event. What else has there been? What is ITRCA going to be about and going to be doing, anyway?

I can't recall anything that wasn't either a Honda-Tech or a NASA/Honda-Tech affair.

Don't want to start a fight, but I'm actually honestly curious what we're talking about and why it's important.

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 3:37 pm
by Trey
Based on the general feedback I have gotten so far I have divided up the regions. You can read the divisions on the main forums page

http://www.itrca.com/forums/index.php

I am still open to discussion but was trying to get some stuff flwoing in a forward direction. I divided things up based of area covered, location, population and it has nothing to do with some line we used way back when to divide up the states..

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 4:02 pm
by Austin
Trey wrote:Based on the general feedback I have gotten so far I have divided up the regions. You can read the divisions on the main forums page

http://www.itrca.com/forums/index.php

I am still open to discussion but was trying to get some stuff flwoing in a forward direction. I divided things up based of area covered, location, population and it has nothing to do with some line we used way back when to divide up the states..
I still think that we need a seperate NorCal region, as it does have one of the largest amount of cars.

Austin

Posted: September 26th, 2002, 4:11 pm
by Trey
I was looking at how to do that. Largets number of cars doesn't mean you need to segregate. Distance would be the biggest thing. If you guys have just the North Cali region then Utah peeps that are close will never know what is up.

THat isn't to say we can't do something supplementary.

I also shoudl be able to make mailing lists for all the regions regionname@itrca.com so you can do Nocal for that