ITR vs. GTI 1.8T?

RGoose18 · Post by **RGoose18** » September 9th, 2003, 1:09 am

So my buddy is talking alot of trash about how his 1.8T is gonna whoop my ass at the strip in a few weeks. We're both stock, any suggestions?

jorge · Post by **jorge** » September 9th, 2003, 1:13 am

you shouls be able to take him. He runs high 15's and you high 14's. It also depends on the driver. So if you suck, he has a chance.

opie · Post by **opie** » September 9th, 2003, 2:48 pm

I owned a 97 jetta VR6. It moved. On the parkway it handed it to my R. It ran a 14.8 @ the strip with a intake chip and exhaust. 1.8's are slow until you chip them and free up the turbo, (ie. downpipe, exhaust etc). What i'm sayin' is, my VR walked on stock 1.8t's and my R walked on my VR

you do the math!
R by 6 car lengths

Champ R · Post by **Champ R** » September 9th, 2003, 3:21 pm

Modified, GTI's can be beasts... but stock for stock you should beat him. Assuming you can drive/launch an R properly.

PUNKITR · Post by **PUNKITR** » September 9th, 2003, 5:54 pm

Modified, GTI's can be beasts

until the tranny falls apart

had to do it sorry...don't like VW's at all....

sscguy · Post by **sscguy** » September 9th, 2003, 7:38 pm

I'm surprised your VR6 beat 1.8s all the time, given that stock there's about a 1 sec. difference in 1/4 mile times. Seems kinda weird that chip, intake, and exhaust could improve it that much. Maybe you had sticky tires on and the 1.8s had the stock Michelin crap?

opie · Post by **opie** » September 9th, 2003, 9:45 pm

sscguy wrote:I'm surprised your VR6 beat 1.8s all the time, given that stock there's about a 1 sec. difference in 1/4 mile times. Seems kinda weird that chip, intake, and exhaust could improve it that much. Maybe you had sticky tires on and the 1.8s had the stock Michelin crap?

No, I like to think of it as a Type vR. Just a step above the rest!

I really couldn't tell you why my car was what it was. I think it was because I drove it like a Honda. No other VW banged @ 8k rpm!!!!!!!

I miss it so much. I

my R though.

5-Lug · Post by **5-Lug** » September 10th, 2003, 11:10 pm

Don't sweat man. My buddy just got a brand new 03 1.8T Golf and I raced him in my old 2.2 Cav with a 55 shot of nitrous and beat him twice (from a roll he had me though) That was about a month ago and since then I've picked up my dream Type R and this thing would kill my cav even with nitrous so stock for stock I wouldn't even think twice about his 1.8T.

xkhalil333x · Post by **xkhalil333x** » September 11th, 2003, 1:38 am

bro are u serious. a stock gsr will beat his ass. you will destroy him
tell him to beat it

ITR1140 · Post by **ITR1140** » September 11th, 2003, 5:53 am

I owned a 1.8T before, trust me, even if u cant drive, u'd still walk on a stock 1.8T... especially in 3rd gear
the gti 3rd gear sucks

1.8turbonium · Post by **1.8turbonium** » September 12th, 2003, 7:03 pm

So I am the "buddy that was talking trash about his 1.8t" from the begining of this thread. I am hear to clear some things up. First of all many of you may be thinking about the 150hp 1.8t which I admit is not a quick car. Mine is an '02 GTI which is rated at 180 hp at the crank. Second, I am not here to tell you all that I am faster than an ITR. I am here to say that stock vs. stock it is defintley a drivers race with the edge to the ITR. You have the advantage in hp and weight but torque is an important stat as well. My GTI has 174 lbs/ft and the ITR only has 130 lbs/ft of torque. Hp sells cars, torque makes them go. If both cars were raced perfectly the ITR would win just barely. But watch out for '02 GTIs and up if you are stock.

RGoose18 · Post by **RGoose18** » September 13th, 2003, 2:29 pm

I'd have to compare driving a Volkswagon to being a complete and total cock jockey, that's just my .02..........

Post by **Dave-ROR** » September 13th, 2003, 6:36 pm

RGoose18 wrote:I'd have to compare driving a Volkswagon to being a complete and total cock jockey, that's just my .02..........

Is there a valid reason for this post?

Personally, the newer GTIs are "quick". Not anywhere near as quick as a stock ITR though. At least, I run slower in a 2002.5 GTI 1.8T than in my pretty-much-stock GSR even. :shrug:

For a daily driver though, I do like the GTI. Now if only it wouldn't catch on fire cause of those damn coilpacks

1.8turbonium · Post by **1.8turbonium** » September 13th, 2003, 11:24 pm

Yeah what kind of response was that? Especially from someone who hasn't even driven a VW let alone a GTI!

The GTI is awsome as a daily driver and for surprising lot's of unsuspecting ricers who think a stock 1.8t has no balls. I'm going to get chipped at APR (http://www.goapr.com) this week. With the APR chip alone performance is boosted to 215 hp and 247 torque! That is a flashed ECU upgrade only! Thats more than enough power to screw with an ITR hands down! I know there are lot of forced induction haters out there as was I, however it is so easy to create power with simple mods on a turbo that you N/A guys will soon be left behind.

Gotta have some representation for the Vdubs in here with all this flaming trash talk with nothing too back it by!

Post by **Dave-ROR** » September 14th, 2003, 4:37 am

1.8turbonium wrote:Yeah what kind of response was that? Especially from someone who hasn't even driven a VW let alone a GTI!

The GTI is awsome as a daily driver and for surprising lot's of unsuspecting ricers who think a stock 1.8t has no balls. I'm going to get chipped at APR (http://www.goapr.com) this week. With the APR chip alone performance is boosted to 215 hp and 247 torque! That is a flashed ECU upgrade only! Thats more than enough power to screw with an ITR hands down! I know there are lot of forced induction haters out there as was I, however it is so easy to create power with simple mods on a turbo that you N/A guys will soon be left behind.

Gotta have some representation for the Vdubs in here with all this flaming trash talk with nothing too back it by!

APR's chip isn't bad, but I've been stranded because of it before (their soldering jobs suck ass). The car will make some nice power afterwards though despite the APR-common surging problems.

Only compare stock to stock and modified to modified. For very little money (assuming you already have a good driver) you can easily create a 13 second ITR, very very easily.

1.8turbonium · Post by **1.8turbonium** » September 14th, 2003, 5:24 am

Actually APR flashes all the ECU programming now so there is no soldering and no installation, just flashed software. While I have not experienced all of the different chips, I have read that APR is the smoother and most drivable of the powerful chips (APR,GIAC,Upsolute).

I almost forgot, I had the coilpacks replaced at my last tuneup for free (recall) and there hasnt been a problem yet.

Should start a new thread for this but what kind of gains can your ITR see from the Hondata software? I know nothing about it.

Post by **Dave-ROR** » September 14th, 2003, 11:02 am

1.8turbonium wrote:Actually APR flashes all the ECU programming now so there is no soldering and no installation, just flashed software. While I have not experienced all of the different chips, I have read that APR is the smoother and most drivable of the powerful chips (APR,GIAC,Upsolute).

I almost forgot, I had the coilpacks replaced at my last tuneup for free (recall) and there hasnt been a problem yet.

Should start a new thread for this but what kind of gains can your ITR see from the Hondata software? I know nothing about it.

I wasn't aware APR changed their method. We are currently sending the APR ECU back because they didn't put all the same programs on it but the one they did send back less than 2 months ago is still soldered but maybe they did that because it was soldered by them originally :shrug:

Personally, I like the GIAC ecu more.

Dealerships here will only replace the coilopacks if two or more have failed, per the recall. But that's a few months old too.. I don't keep up THAT much with VW stuff.

Have you had the brake switch fail yet? I'd suggest replacing that yourself unless you can schedule an appointment quick. No brakelights = bad and all local dealerships were setting up appointments for 2weeks or more in the future

As for the Hondata, that'll depend greatly on the tuner and of course what parts. The Hondata isn't a "chip", it's a standalone. All the features of a real standalone but requires a honda ecu for the board and case so I still can't find myself calling it a real standalone, even thought it's functionality is that of a full standalone. PFC, AEM EMS, Haltech, Wolf3D, etc can all be programmed to get the same gains since they are all standalones (although some Hondata people will say the PFC is just a air-flow convertor even though it's clearly not).

RGoose18 · Post by **RGoose18** » September 14th, 2003, 12:42 pm

Dawhiteboy,
That "cock jockey" comment was for 1.8 turbonium. Just a joke, he's my roomate. As for making a Type R a 13 second car "real easy", what type of mods are we talking?

Post by **Dave-ROR** » September 14th, 2003, 2:01 pm

RGoose18 wrote:Dawhiteboy,
That "cock jockey" comment was for 1.8 turbonium. Just a joke, he's my roomate. As for making a Type R a 13 second car "real easy", what type of mods are we talking?

brock did it with an intake, s-03's and a good driver. maybe header too. I forget.

sscguy · Post by **sscguy** » September 14th, 2003, 4:28 pm

Steve (Smitdog) runs a 13.7 on I/H/E and decent rubber in his R. As for stock 1.8t vs. stock R, even the 180hp variant is about 1 sec. slower through the 1/4 mile, so I don't know how "close" that is. I'm not trying to knock on the VW crew or anything, they are fun cars (though not racecars by any means, but they were never intended to be).

Post by **Jan Niemi** » September 14th, 2003, 5:39 pm

I've driven an 02 1.8t, and truly enjoyed the drive. The cute little turbo in the 1.8t seems to always be on boost, hence the enjoyment. However, the stock R is vicious in the top end just when the 1.8t runs out of breath.

I have respect for the 1.8t for it's excellent driveability.

sscguy · Post by **sscguy** » September 14th, 2003, 10:57 pm

I guess I'm either too accustomed to all-motor setups or haven't driven enough big-turbo/loads-of-lag FI cars, but it actually had a bit much too lag for me. I guess I'm just not a turbo kinda guy...

1.8turbonium · Post by **1.8turbonium** » September 15th, 2003, 1:37 am

The 1.8t engine is actually known for it's lack of lag. Lag is part of driving a turbo. Once the boost kicks in just over 2000 rpms it pulls hard. Cars like the WRX have really bad lag but pull very hard up high. The lack of lag is what makes the turbo such a great daily driver. The power is spread out over the rpm range unlike most turbos. It was hard getting used to it at first coming from a N/A engine but once you time your shifts right and learn the power curve it becomes addictive.

Post by **Dave-ROR** » September 15th, 2003, 10:33 am

sscguy wrote:I guess I'm either too accustomed to all-motor setups or haven't driven enough big-turbo/loads-of-lag FI cars, but it actually had a bit much too lag for me. I guess I'm just not a turbo kinda guy...

For me, it depends on what purpose I have for the car. As an owner of an integra, sentra se-r and a rwd boosted beater (conquest tsi) I must say that I like boosted cars on the street. Drives like a perfectly normal car normally but when needed you get the fun feeling that boost provides and extra power.

For track/road course use I prefer a linear powerband, which I had acheived in the GSR quite nicely. NA is best for ME when it comes to road course use, and I also prefer RWD on track But my only RWD car is boosted. :shrug: oh well

Post by **Jan Niemi** » September 15th, 2003, 4:04 pm

The beauty of lag is the rush of adrenaline and the kick in the ass you get when boost comes on suddenly. The 1.8t has absolutely minimal lag in my world.

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