PIC / POWER IN CONTROL / SUSPENSION / BUSHINGS/ YACK!!!
Posted: November 19th, 2008, 12:02 pm
So after getting off my lazy ass I finally got around to installing the PIC bushings and control arms. I've got about 1000 miles on them so far, probably another 1000 miles will be put on before I head down to CMP for We-todd 3.
My thoughts on the product.....
After getting the pieces from Chris (elaum) they sat in the garage for awhile while I compiled a parts list for the local Honda dealership. I replaced a lot of stuff while I was in there, some necessary, some not.
The PIC arms looked pretty, I wasn't a huge fan of the white but figured the function out weighed that. All the arms looked just like the stock pieces (they are factory pieces), def a difference in the bushings. The rear lower arms have spherical bushings, the rear trailing arm bushings are hard rubber, and all others are poly urethane. The bushings were nice and stiff, most noticeable was the RTA bushings. All parts "looked" to be of great quality.
The work was completed at my friends Honda dealership so that we could get the car on the alignment rack immediately after. Started around ten, figured it would only take a few hours(the crack from the night before must have clouded our judgment), lol!
The parts list on top of the PIC stuff:
INTEGRA » 1998 » 3DR TYPE-R » KA5MT »
REAR LOWER ARM
90173-SR3-003 BOLT, ARM TORQUE (LOWER) (10X80)
90173-ST7-Z01 BOLT, ARM (LOWER) (10X89)
90174-SJ4-003 BOLT, TRAILING ARM BUSH (12X60)
94050-08080 BAG 0F 10X NUT, FLANGE (8MM)
90172-S04-003 BOLT, FLANGE (10X68)
90117-SH3-004 BOLT, ARM (UPPER) (10X30)
93412-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
90171-SR3-003 BOLT, TORQUE COMPENSATOR (10X59)
90551-SH3-000 WASHER (24X10X2.3)
95701-08016-08 BAG OF 10 BOLT, FLANGE (8X16)
REAR BRAKE (DISK) (2)
42200-S03-C51 BEARING ASSY., RR. HUB UNIT
42326-ST7-Z00 CAP, HUB UNIT
90305-692-010 NUT, SPINDLE (22MM)
93600-06014-0H BAG OF 10SCREW, FLAT (6X14)
42324-SB2-020 WASHER, HUB UNIT
KNUCKLE
51220-S04-003 JOINT, BALL (LOWER)
90363-SF1-000 NUT, CASTLE (12MM)
90321-SE0-000 NUT, BALL PIN (UPPER) (10MM
93402-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
93402-06010-07 BOLT-WASHER (6X10)
FRONT LOWER ARM
90164-SR3-013 BOLT, SELF-LOCK (14X34)
90168-SR3-000 BOLT, FLANGE (14X35)
90162-SR3-000 BOLT, FLANGE (14X60)
90118-SR3-003 BOLT, SELF-LOCK (12X76)
90175-SH3-005 BOLT, DAMPER FORK
90215-SB0-003 NUT, SELF-LOCK (12MM) (SATO RASHI)
90120-SB0-003 BOLT, RR. SHOCK ABSORBER LOCK (10X42)
FRONT BRAKE
44300-S5A-008 BEARING ASSY., FR. HUB (NTN CORP.)
The caR.....
The work....
Front
Rear...notice i painted the RTA's black
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mileage Install-61851
Mileage Now-64643
Track Mileage-196
Left Friday morning for Yacks
Arrived at Yacks 1700hrs
Bought beer and emptied sled
1801 started to play
Corner weight numbaz in
98 ITR with 1/2 tank approx 6.5 gal of petrol, ac, ps, sms header, hytech exhaust, mugen intake, samco hoses, stock wheels with 205-50-15 azenis 215's, full interior minus rear shock tower covers and rear deck cover, no spare tire or tools......weighing in at 2544#'s without me fat arse. With me fat arse, sled weighs 2822#'s
fuk y0 couch
-DR--F--PS
918 835
-------------
573 497
FR 1752 62%
R 1070 37.9%
L----------R
1491 1331
52.8% 47.1
CROSS WEIGHT
1415/1408 Diff of 7#'s
Corner weight def went easier than I/we expected....then it was off to the alignment.
Again, 98 itr, 2544#'s, PIC bushings, NO camber kits front or rear.
LEFT FRONT RIGHT FRONT
-1.9 -2.5
CAMBER CAMBER
-0.8 -0.1
CASTER CASTER
-1/32in -1/32in
TOE TOE
TOTAL TOE -3/32in
STEER AHEAD .01
LEFT REAR RIGHT REAR
-2.0 -2.1
CAMBER CAMBER
-1/32in -1/32in
TOE TOE
TOTAL TOE -3/32in
THRUST ANGLE -.01
PLUG FOR JACK:
Jack is a very intelligent tool , there are very few people (three including myself) that I trust with my car, Jack is def one of them. Jack was able to fit me in on a friday night, before he had to wake up at 2am to drive 500+ miles. He also walked me thru what exactly he was doing, when it came time for the alignment he explained everything to me, talked about my driving history/experience/preference, and made the alignment fit me. Jack, thank you for helping me out, from the black car to the white one, I'll always be coming to you. I RECOMMEND YACK TO ANYONE, I know Nolan and myself have been driving the 400+ miles to see him for years! 
+ :tuna: for joo, buddy :thumbup:
Thanks to Rob and Erik for hanging out, I think yack and I were the only ones to partake in drinking but it was fun times just the same. Thanks to all three of you for getting me in to pow wei swing swong mongolian beef rice and broccoli, that place rocked!
After Jacks, Erik and I drove to CMP for some much needed track time. Due to oversleeping a bit, needing a shower, changing wheels, registering, and getting tech'd, I missed the first session
NOTE: Last night I realized my master cylinder is slowly taking a shit. I was affected at cmp by a spongy pedal, however, the brakes worked great, just took a a little more push to get them stopping. I will not mention this throughout the thread, this was the only problem with the car.
Second session I was out.
First turn impression: The ass end WILL come out, not on its own, but with a little (little) help, I like.
The rest: The car felt completely solid, braking, steering, turn in, exit, there wasnt a time the whole weekend where I felt the car wasnt perfect. I have had a little vibrations under hard braking at past track events, finding I dont really get on the brakes that hard. This event, the vibrations were gone and I found myself stomping on the brakes, car feeling amazingly stable.
I am by far not the fastest or fast for that matter, but I feel given the circumstances, I did fairly well with speed, braking, and getting around the track. I wish I would have done bushings/yack alignment far before this experience.
I had no binding, strange noises, clunking/thunking issues throughout the weekend. Each suspension component seemed to complete its motion without conflict, on or off the track. Obviously I am not under my car while its moving but from a feel/sound standpoint, everything worked out superbly.
There are just about 3000 miles on these products and I have absolutely no complaints or regrets. No sqeaks, no strange noises, I am COMPLETELY SATISFIED with PIC's product, I recommend to all.
If you ever get some time to get down to Jack, I strongly recommend spoiling your car to Jack's knowledge. :thumbup:
Pictures courtesy of Erik and Ryan, thanks guys.
My thoughts on the product.....
After getting the pieces from Chris (elaum) they sat in the garage for awhile while I compiled a parts list for the local Honda dealership. I replaced a lot of stuff while I was in there, some necessary, some not.
The PIC arms looked pretty, I wasn't a huge fan of the white but figured the function out weighed that. All the arms looked just like the stock pieces (they are factory pieces), def a difference in the bushings. The rear lower arms have spherical bushings, the rear trailing arm bushings are hard rubber, and all others are poly urethane. The bushings were nice and stiff, most noticeable was the RTA bushings. All parts "looked" to be of great quality.
The work was completed at my friends Honda dealership so that we could get the car on the alignment rack immediately after. Started around ten, figured it would only take a few hours(the crack from the night before must have clouded our judgment), lol!
The parts list on top of the PIC stuff:
INTEGRA » 1998 » 3DR TYPE-R » KA5MT »
REAR LOWER ARM
90173-SR3-003 BOLT, ARM TORQUE (LOWER) (10X80)
90173-ST7-Z01 BOLT, ARM (LOWER) (10X89)
90174-SJ4-003 BOLT, TRAILING ARM BUSH (12X60)
94050-08080 BAG 0F 10X NUT, FLANGE (8MM)
90172-S04-003 BOLT, FLANGE (10X68)
90117-SH3-004 BOLT, ARM (UPPER) (10X30)
93412-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
90171-SR3-003 BOLT, TORQUE COMPENSATOR (10X59)
90551-SH3-000 WASHER (24X10X2.3)
95701-08016-08 BAG OF 10 BOLT, FLANGE (8X16)
REAR BRAKE (DISK) (2)
42200-S03-C51 BEARING ASSY., RR. HUB UNIT
42326-ST7-Z00 CAP, HUB UNIT
90305-692-010 NUT, SPINDLE (22MM)
93600-06014-0H BAG OF 10SCREW, FLAT (6X14)
42324-SB2-020 WASHER, HUB UNIT
KNUCKLE
51220-S04-003 JOINT, BALL (LOWER)
90363-SF1-000 NUT, CASTLE (12MM)
90321-SE0-000 NUT, BALL PIN (UPPER) (10MM
93402-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
93402-06010-07 BOLT-WASHER (6X10)
FRONT LOWER ARM
90164-SR3-013 BOLT, SELF-LOCK (14X34)
90168-SR3-000 BOLT, FLANGE (14X35)
90162-SR3-000 BOLT, FLANGE (14X60)
90118-SR3-003 BOLT, SELF-LOCK (12X76)
90175-SH3-005 BOLT, DAMPER FORK
90215-SB0-003 NUT, SELF-LOCK (12MM) (SATO RASHI)
90120-SB0-003 BOLT, RR. SHOCK ABSORBER LOCK (10X42)
FRONT BRAKE
44300-S5A-008 BEARING ASSY., FR. HUB (NTN CORP.)
The caR.....
The work....
Front
Rear...notice i painted the RTA's black
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mileage Install-61851
Mileage Now-64643
Track Mileage-196
Left Friday morning for Yacks
Arrived at Yacks 1700hrs
Bought beer and emptied sled
1801 started to play
Corner weight numbaz in
98 ITR with 1/2 tank approx 6.5 gal of petrol, ac, ps, sms header, hytech exhaust, mugen intake, samco hoses, stock wheels with 205-50-15 azenis 215's, full interior minus rear shock tower covers and rear deck cover, no spare tire or tools......weighing in at 2544#'s without me fat arse. With me fat arse, sled weighs 2822#'s
fuk y0 couch-DR--F--PS
918 835
-------------
573 497
FR 1752 62%
R 1070 37.9%
L----------R
1491 1331
52.8% 47.1
CROSS WEIGHT
1415/1408 Diff of 7#'s
Corner weight def went easier than I/we expected....then it was off to the alignment.
Again, 98 itr, 2544#'s, PIC bushings, NO camber kits front or rear.
LEFT FRONT RIGHT FRONT
-1.9 -2.5
CAMBER CAMBER
-0.8 -0.1
CASTER CASTER
-1/32in -1/32in
TOE TOE
TOTAL TOE -3/32in
STEER AHEAD .01
LEFT REAR RIGHT REAR
-2.0 -2.1
CAMBER CAMBER
-1/32in -1/32in
TOE TOE
TOTAL TOE -3/32in
THRUST ANGLE -.01
PLUG FOR JACK:
Jack is a very intelligent tool
, there are very few people (three including myself) that I trust with my car, Jack is def one of them. Jack was able to fit me in on a friday night, before he had to wake up at 2am to drive 500+ miles. He also walked me thru what exactly he was doing, when it came time for the alignment he explained everything to me, talked about my driving history/experience/preference, and made the alignment fit me. Jack, thank you for helping me out, from the black car to the white one, I'll always be coming to you. I RECOMMEND YACK TO ANYONE, I know Nolan and myself have been driving the 400+ miles to see him for years! + :tuna: for joo, buddy :thumbup: Thanks to Rob and Erik for hanging out, I think yack and I were the only ones to partake in drinking but it was fun times just the same. Thanks to all three of you for getting me in to pow wei swing swong mongolian beef rice and broccoli, that place rocked!
After Jacks, Erik and I drove to CMP for some much needed track time. Due to oversleeping a bit, needing a shower, changing wheels, registering, and getting tech'd, I missed the first session
NOTE: Last night I realized my master cylinder is slowly taking a shit. I was affected at cmp by a spongy pedal, however, the brakes worked great, just took a a little more push to get them stopping. I will not mention this throughout the thread, this was the only problem with the car.
Second session I was out.
First turn impression: The ass end WILL come out, not on its own, but with a little (little) help, I like.
The rest: The car felt completely solid, braking, steering, turn in, exit, there wasnt a time the whole weekend where I felt the car wasnt perfect. I have had a little vibrations under hard braking at past track events, finding I dont really get on the brakes that hard. This event, the vibrations were gone and I found myself stomping on the brakes, car feeling amazingly stable.
I am by far not the fastest or fast for that matter, but I feel given the circumstances, I did fairly well with speed, braking, and getting around the track. I wish I would have done bushings/yack alignment far before this experience.
I had no binding, strange noises, clunking/thunking issues throughout the weekend. Each suspension component seemed to complete its motion without conflict, on or off the track. Obviously I am not under my car while its moving but from a feel/sound standpoint, everything worked out superbly.
There are just about 3000 miles on these products and I have absolutely no complaints or regrets. No sqeaks, no strange noises, I am COMPLETELY SATISFIED with PIC's product, I recommend to all.
If you ever get some time to get down to Jack, I strongly recommend spoiling your car to Jack's knowledge. :thumbup:
Pictures courtesy of Erik and Ryan, thanks guys.
